mjn Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Right, time to start planning next year's road trip As usual, i'll keep this thread upto date with plenty more info Where we going? Starting at the Black Forest in Todtnau and heading towards Feldberg and then onto Lindau (the start of the German Alpine Road), via the Rhine Falls Pass. Following the German Alpine Road all the way to Berchtesgaden, where we'll then start to head towards some of the more famous passes around Austria, Switzerland, and maybe northern Italy. When? September 2015 Which passes? See posts below Itinerary? Day 1Day 2Day 3Day 4Day 5Day 6Day 7Day 8 Where can i stay? Take a look here, hundreds of places to stay, to suit all budgets. Getting to France? You've 2 options, ferry or Eurotunnel. Eurotunnel fares are from around £20 each way (per car) and ferry can be even cheaper, but take 3 times as along. Eurotunnel are taking bookings now. www.eurotunnel.com Driving in France / Switzerland / Italy / Germany / Austria Here is a list of things to take / be aware of when driving in abroad: A GB sticker displayed on the back of your car, unless your vehicle has 'Europlates' that already display this information. A warning triangle that you must place on the road in the event of a breakdown, to alert other drivers that you're there. A high visibility jacket that you must put on before exiting the vehicle in the event of a breakdown or if you're pulled over by the police. Keep hi-vis jackets inside the passenger compartment of your vehicle, not the boot. Headlamp converters, which will re-align your headlights so that they don't dazzle oncoming motorists when driving on the right. From July 2012, motorists in France will be required to carry an NF-approved single-use breathalyser. Our Alcosense Single Use Breathalyser is fully NF-approved, and comes in a twin pack so you'll still be covered if you use one. During the winter, snow chains must be fitted to your tyres when driving on snow-covered roads in compliance with the relevant road signs. If you're travelling with children under 10, make sure you take along the correct child car seat for their age and size. It's also recommended that you carry a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit to assist you in emergency situations, and a set of spare car bulbs in case you need to replace one. In built-up areas in France, priority is given to vehicles coming from the right - known as "priorité a droite". It's against the law to carry any radar detection equipment. If your sat nav has a speed camera detection function, you must switch it off. You should use dipped headlights when driving in poor visibility during the day. If you are stopped by the French police and handed a fine, you should always make sure you are given an official receipt. Valid full (not provisional) driving licence Driving licence paper counterpart - if you have a photocard licence Vehicle registration document (V5c) - the original not a copy Motor insurance certificate Passport(s) 112 is the European emergency call number you can dial anywhere in the European Union in case of accident, assault or in any other distress situation. Tolls Roads You can either pay as you go with credit card or Euros, or pay for a tag, which requires mounting in the windscreen. You'll then get billed the following month, and pay the toll bill via Direct Debit. See here for more details. https://www.saneftol...-Faq.List/#1.0. Book your Euro Tunnel journey and get money off your French Motorway Tag: http://www.eurotunne.../Sanef-Tolling/ Or use this link and get €5 off: https://www.saneftol...0130708-FFEB0CC Tolls / Vignettes for other countries can be ordered here: https://www.tolltick...ang=en-GB&mnu=c Where to check the status of the mountain passes? http://www.adac.de/r...RFAATysTAGAL__# More Info? Southern Black forest http://www.roughguid...n-black-forest/ German Alpine Road http://www.yougosave.com/alpine.htmlhttp://www.yougosave...Road_Map_v1.pdfhttp://www.deutsche-...ch-englisch.pdfhttp://www.deutsche-...enstrasse-1.pdfhttp://ecmaps.de/?Ex...906285&z=8&s=suhttp://www.deutsche-...e.de/en/stages/ Last year's trip? http://www.e46zone.c...d-videos-added/ Edited March 28, 2016 by mjn scrimbow, 330CDT and sive s 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sive s Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Will be interested in this mate. Got a mate, we both were talking about this event called fun ball rally. Here is the link. http://funballrally.com/ But i would prefer to go with few more people(especially from this forum), if you organise this one you are talking about(i mean the one you are talking about above). Will prefer this. So put my name and my mates car down for this. Edited June 4, 2014 by sive s mjn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich260 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Is there any plans to do this trip still? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Erm....yeah, of course. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich260 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I'm up for it is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Am I the only one who skim-read the thread title and clicked the topic expecting to see a post about Black forest cake? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Lol!!!!!! I suppose there could be some Black Forest Gateaux there. You'll have to tag along to find out momo and sive s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Will be posting up a rough draft of the route shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerFish Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'd love to do something like this again, but I don't have the holiday leave left as I'm off to Mongolia in July for several weeks. Enjoy though - some stunning parts of the world on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sive s Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Looking forward to the details. Is it ok if other people join. Might have a merc jeep and a vw jetta coming along. If its allowed. Also could you do a favour and say the costs rougly. Like fuel, tax and etc. Thanks bro. Edited August 6, 2014 by sive s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) First 3 days updated. Edited August 6, 2014 by My Car Still Hates Me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Looking forward to the details. Is it ok if other people join. Might have a merc jeep and a vw jetta coming along. If its allowed. Also could you do a favour and say the costs rougly. Like fuel, tax and etc. Thanks bro. Depends on MPG, and how you will be driving, tolls, eurotunnel, food, diesel / petrol, hotels, etc I've not completely finished the route, but i don't think you'll see any change out of £2k. Obviously, if there are a few of you going, you can share rooms, and stuff. sive s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sive s Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Looking forward to the details. Is it ok if other people join. Might have a merc jeep and a vw jetta coming along. If its allowed. Also could you do a favour and say the costs rougly. Like fuel, tax and etc. Thanks bro. Depends on MPG, and how you will be driving, tolls, eurotunnel, food, diesel / petrol, hotels, etc I've not completely finished the route, but i don't think you'll see any change out of £2k. Obviously, if there are a few of you going, you can share rooms, and stuff. Cheers mate. Looking at going in the m3, once I get it. Expect the petrol costs to be doible. But its worth it tho. Should have 3 people in the car. So can split it. Is the petrol more expensive in the other countries compared to here and also. is it legal to take a petrol canister in the car. Gonna go through the updates now. Thanks sive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Fuel prices here: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Routes are not definite and could change, and probably will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 1 - (25th June)Home -> Folkstone -> Calais -> Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines, France (378 miles, 6 hours 17 mins) Hotel: http://www.booking.com/hotel/fr/les-rondins-de-la-fecht.en-gb.html?aid=311076;label=les-rondins-de-la-fecht-pGJ1ku5Q61mMQqD3YrmRaAS22872258060%3Apl%3Ata%3Ap1%3Ap2%3Aac%3Aap1t1%3Aneg%3Afi%3Atikwd-45601703043%3Alp1006786%3Ali%3Adec%3Adm;sid=54be66db4f10bc9f097c2299e7168d05;dcid=4;checkin=2016-06-25;checkout=2016-06-26;dist=0;room1=A%2CA;sb_price_type=total;srfid=06869899037c9db095b8ec096afdc17293c8571bX1;type=total;ucfs=1& Taking any route you want Day 2 - (26th June)Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines, France -> Wertach, Germany (296 mi, 8 hours 48 mins) Taking in the little known D431 on the East of France, and through some of the Southern Black Forest This covers the German Southern Black Forest (info here:http://www.roughguides.com/destinations/europe/germany/the-black-forest/the-southern-black-forest/ ) through theRhine Falls (info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_Falls and here:http://www.rheinfall.ch/Rheinfall/Fotogalerie ) and onto the German Alpine Road (info here:http://www.losapos.com/german_alpine_road_alpenstrasse)Todtnau (Start of German Southern Black Forest) - (476 miles / 9 hours 17 mins)Hotel https://www.booking.com/hotel/de/alpenhof-wertach.en-gb.html?aid=340580;label=1337659x229916920;sid=54be66db4f10bc9f097c2299e7168d05;dcid=2;label=postbooking_confpage Map / Route http://goo.gl/maps/m2BZU Edited January 31, 2016 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 3 - (27th June) Wertach -> Bayrischzell - (189 miles / 6hr 1min) More of the German Alpine Road. Hotel http://www.booking.com/hotel/de/gastehaus-charlotte.en-gb.html?aid=340580;label=1337659x229916920;sid=54be66db4f10bc9f097c2299e7168d05;dcid=4;checkin=2016-06-27;checkout=2016-06-28;ucfs=1;room1=A;srfid=677826d86f0aeb752ab2d6e29f7109aa3727bc93X2;highlight_room= Map / Routehttps://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Wertach,+Germany&daddr=Nesselwang,+Germany+to:F%C3%BCssen,+Germany+to:hoch-schwangau+to:Halblech,+Germany+to:Steingaden,+Germany+to:Bad+Bayersoien,+Germany+to:Bad+Kohlgrub,+Germany+to:Oberammergau,+Germany+to:Ettal,+Germany+to:Garmisch-Partenkirchen,+Germany+to:Wallgau,+Germany+to:Walchensee,+Germany+to:Kochel,+Germany+to:Benediktbeuern,+Germany+to:Bad+Heilbrunn,+Germany+to:Bad+T%C3%B6lz,+Germany+to:Lenggries,+Germany+to:Kreuth,+Germany+to:Rottach-Egern,+Germany+to:Tegernsee,+Germany+to:Gmund+am+Tegernsee,+Germany+to:Hausham,+Germany+to:Schliersee,+Germany+to:Bayrischzell,+Germany&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.515346,11.25824&spn=0.719749,1.71936&sll=47.694974,11.771164&sspn=0.17724,0.33268&geocode=FQZa1gIdgdWeACnn8jhCboicRzFAa4vXrUgeBA%3BFYms1gIdI0agAClhygCBPWKcRzFWwLXEu4SxYQ%3BFfDa1QIdkUajACkJ9GZogF-cRzEA84vXrUgeBA%3BFRb01QIdr9ejACFTsrURENaeSinbjF9DJ_acRzFTsrURENaeSg%3BFSXN1gIdNxqlACkDF2XSo1ecRzEgAozXrUgeBA%3BFTjh1wId4bqlACkbfnVqCFCcRzHQrovXrUgeBA%3BFfC41wIdcMSnACnjqugFilKcRzHQl4vXrUgeBA%3BFTZZ1wId952oAClBeIziHa2dRzHAl4vXrUgeBA%3BFYxA1gIdYPOoACl_LxeeCaudRzE1dabwoIKmsw%3BFX3Y1QIdvkepAClf_xy3O6qdRzGsGidhLDSP6w%3BFW6q1AIdyk2pACkpM4qTYAGdRzGAnIvXrUgeBA%3BFcEc1QIdHC-sAClNyawLWKedRzH9WAfRpOBaBg%3BFUQz1gIdWyytACHc9kxKKenRDCn9mUShqKadRzHc9kxKKenRDA%3BFcor1wId4mytACnXycISgaOdRzHwuIvXrUgeBA%3BFffu1wIdbhiuACmNrkdQ3rydRzFQuIvXrUgeBA%3BFTmQ2AIduNquACkBgcP3dr6dRzE6VRhKOvqdUg%3BFULI2AIdYHiwAClVbtIPSZSdRzHA_bEuCxoDXw%3BFQSU1wIduKSwACnrv-KJ0pCdRzHylGW1EzChUQ%3BFc7_1gIdijCzACkLuzHAW4-dRzEty_TD0mcSsQ%3BFYg61wIdkzG0ACk1FtSm9YidRzFAoDcJpCUdBA%3BFTPs1wId9YOzACkzvZGaIYydRzFgoDcJpCUdBA%3BFT6e2AIdrg-zACnXJBDDoY2dRzHQnzcJpCUdBA%3BFSmc2AId5Ja0ACmNwWhUCYudRzH9Wzed3L5zEQ%3BFbRg2AIdAQK1ACmD5FeLwomdRzFQoDcJpCUdBA%3BFVZ41wIdcFS3ACnjzDHrLyR2RzGwnzcJpCUdBA&t=m&z=10 Edited January 14, 2016 by mjn sive s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 4 - (28th June) Bayrischzell -> Nockalm Pass (234miles / 6hr 30 mins) The end of the German Alpine Road and some Austrian Mountain Passes:Solk Pass http://driveeuropenews.com/2014/05/04/mapping-the-alps-solk-pass-austria/Turracherhöhe Pass http://driveeuropenews.com/2013/11/13/turracherhohe-birthplace-of-legends/Nockalm Pass http://driveeuropenews.com/2013/11/08/the-nockalm-pass/Hotel https://www.booking.com/hotel/at/pension-alte-muhle.en-gb.html?aid=340580;label=1337659x229916920;sid=54be66db4f10bc9f097c2299e7168d05;dcid=5;label=postbooking_confpage Map / Routehttps://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Bayrischzell,+Germany&daddr=Oberaudorf,+Germany+to:Nu%C3%9Fdorf,+Germany+to:Neubeuern,+Germany+to:Rohrdorf,+Germany+to:Frasdorf,+Germany+to:aschau+to:Bernau+am+Chiemsee,+Germany+to:Grassau,+Bavaria,+Germany+to:Marquartstein,+Germany+to:Unterw%C3%B6ssen,+Germany+to:Reit+im+Winkl,+Germany+to:Ruhpolding,+Germany+to:Inzell,+Germany+to:Ramsau,+Germany+to:Berchtesgaden,+Germany+to:Stein+an+der+Enns,+Austria+to:Sch%C3%B6der,+Austria+to:Turracherh%C3%B6he,+Austria+to:Nockalmstra%C3%9Fe,+Reichenau,+Austria&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=46.509735,12.5354&spn=2.933756,6.877441&sll=47.361153,12.002563&sspn=2.853907,5.322876&geocode=FVZ41wIdcFS3ACnjzDHrLyR2RzGwnzcJpCUdBA%3BFV4a1wIdJ7C5ACmdOc4aQjt2RzGQqDcJpCUdBA%3BFfN_2AIddHm5ACn_jsllez12RzEL87aaz5LzSA%3BFYvc2AId8GS5ACnDtEnMkBd2RzFwqDcJpCUdBA%3BFa1T2QIdw6e5AClzJHaUDBd2RzH73Wxe8-iJ8Q%3BFVtp2QIdPna7ACldx9M_WxR2RzHgpzcJpCUdBA%3BFVwF2QId5ga8ACl9Yo7AIhV2RzHPuiTR7huW0w%3BFVKM2QIdZ9a8ACkLOO-HV2t2RzEgpzcJpCUdBA%3BFTEK2QIdNAC-ACnZtrBmZ2l2RzHVCI5bkrkBuA%3BFRTI2AIddCG-ACnHJNC6dWl2RzGMSbwhx_W4Cw%3BFdxi2AId4RS-ACkN7943wGl2RzHpZbtFOwDOlw%3BFd581wId_kO-ACnFHEoJHUN2RzEew2XGHyrkNQ%3BFebN2AIdufPAACllKKDItmZ2RzGqPxkLHn9KYw%3BFWXV2AIdFYLCACmhZ2Q-92F2RzGkHxn2BQvq8Q%3BFZuS1gIdoNbEACmnp-y96_F2RzHQtzcJpCUdBA%3BFWTH1gIdil3GACnTndeoXet2RzFwtzcJpCUdBA%3BFZTR0wIdeLfUACm5GauX_xZxRzEp4InfBd7WCw%3BFertzwIdeFjXACmzEBwNbP5wRzHDEWvXqaipnA%3BFYzbywIdOLfTACm5LC41So1wRzEPgjtcenpp-Q%3BFYx0ywIdZznTACnPkaIa15JwRzHqk0HUux1KvQ&t=m&z=8 Edited January 14, 2016 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 5 - (29th June) Nockalmstrasse - Passo Falzarego (349 miles / 11hr 21mins) Leaving Austria, into Italy. After finishing the Nockalmpass, we take on the GlossGlockner Passhttp://www.grossglockner.at/en/hochalpenstrasse/ Please Note there is a toll on this pass, around €35-45 depends on how many days you want, 1 or 2.GlossGlockner PassForcella LavardetPasso di Giau Passo FedaiaPasso PordoiPasso SellaPasso GardenaHotel https://www.booking.com/hotel/it/ciasa-salares.en-gb.html?aid=340580;label=1337659x229916920;sid=54be66db4f10bc9f097c2299e7168d05;dcid=2;label=postbooking_confpage Map / Routehttps://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Nockalmstra%C3%9Fe,+Krems+in+K%C3%A4rnten,+Austria&daddr=47.388625,12.9148845+to:%4047.083333,12.842778+to:Monte+Zoncolan,+Ovaro,+Udine,+Italy+to:Forcella+Lavardet,+Vigo+di+Cadore,+Belluno,+Italy+to:Tre+Cime+di+Lavaredo,+Auronzo+di+Cadore,+Belluno,+Italy+to:passo+di+giau+to:Passo+Fedaia,+Rocca+Pietore,+Belluno,+Italy+to:Passo+Pordoi,+Livinallongo+del+Col+di+Lana,+Belluno,+Italy+to:Passo+Sella,+Canazei,+Trentino,+Italy+to:Passo+Gardena,+Corvara,+Bolzano,+Italy+to:Passo+Campolongo,+Livinallongo+del+Col+di+Lana,+Belluno,+Italy+to:Passo+Falzarego,+Cortina+d'Ampezzo,+Belluno,+Italy&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=46.980252,12.955627&spn=1.454119,3.438721&sll=47.240084,13.282471&sspn=1.447038,3.438721&geocode=FRxFzAIdrMPRACnPkaIa15JwRzHqk0HUux1KvQ%3BFdEX0wIdxBDFACkNKowjguF2RzGwiXEcSPxK1A%3BFUVvzgIdGvfDAA%3BFaKIxQId3xfFACk1ulpqSvF5RzG8flyO1JeQVg%3BFQ2OxQId8LfAACkf1cMEEep5RzHOslx1nSZAUw%3BFfNXxwIdlMS7AClTkBomcM15RzGwE4cuiAkHHQ%3BFSJQxQIdLN63ACkVmaRE8El4RzHzWmJxHot-dg%3BFfzSxAIdaGm1ACnxwx3ZtkZ4RzGATnEuiAkHHQ%3BFYVHxQId2060ACnROCyBNEB4RzGA64MuiAkHHQ%3BFaCIxQIdcEqzAClFDDg06Gp4RzGQ64MuiAkHHQ%3BFahKxgIdyC-0ACF1OrVqZrnwOCmfNazaZRV4RzF1OrVqZrnwOA%3BFbvJxQIdKxK1ACmZG28WmUB4RzFwTnEuiAkHHQ%3BFWnSxQId5D-3ACFvmOO3HAzQFikL2yTw9Td4RzFvmOO3HAzQFg&oq=Monte+Padrio,+Corteno+Golgi,+Brescia,+Italy&doflg=ptm&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=9&via=1&t=m&z=9 Edited January 14, 2016 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 6 - (30th June) Passo Falzarego -> Spluga Pass (~414 miles / 12 hours 20 mins) A day of choices. Not sure you could drive all 414 miles, but as you can see on the map, you can choose which passes to do depending on time / travel conditions / traffic. If you did all 414 miles, you'd do the following passes: Jaufenpass, Timmelsjoch, Hahntennjoch, Silvrettastrasse, Bielerhohe Pass, Fluela Pass, Albula Pass, Julier Pass and Passo dello Spluga. Timmelsjoch Silvrettastrasse Julier Pass Albula Pass Fluela Pass Passo dello Spluga Route Hotel https://www.booking.com/hotel/it/la-rabbiosa.en-gb.html?aid=340580;label=1337659x229916920;sid=54be66db4f10bc9f097c2299e7168d05;dcid=5;label=postbooking_confpage Edited February 1, 2016 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 7 - (1st July) Spluga Pass -> Agnel Lake (~270 miles / 10 hours) The final leg of driving (excluding driving home) see us finish at Agnel Lake, via the Colle del Nivolet and staying at the refuse at the lake. http://rifugiochivasso.altervista.org/dove-siamo.html. You might not recognise the name, but if you've seen The Italian job, then you've seen the Colle del Nivolet. It is road used for the final sequence, where bus hangs on the edge of the cliff. However, before we finish the day there, there are still plenty more passes to drive.OberalppassTremola & Saint Gotthard Passhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Gotthard_Passhttp://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/switzerland/75-saint-gotthard-pass-switzerland.htmlNufenen PassGrimselpasshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimsel_Passhttp://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/switzerland/74-grimsel-pass-switzerland.htmlPanoramastrasseSusten Passhttp://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/switzerland/3435-susten-pass.htmlFurka Passhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furka_Passhttp://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/switzerland/152-furka-pass-switzerland.htmlSimplon PassGreat St. Bernard PassColle del Nivolet Passhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colle_del_Nivolethttp://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/italy/1009-colle-del-nivolet-italy.htmlAgnel Lake and Hotel http://www.rifugiochivasso.altervista.org/prenotazioni.html Map / Route http://goo.gl/maps/6rbPR Edited December 8, 2015 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Day 8 - (2nd July) Agnel Lake -> Calais / Home (675 miles / 10.5 hours) Map / Routehttps://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Agnel+Lake,+Ceresole+Reale,+Turin,+Italy&daddr=Calais,+France&hl=en&ll=48.166085,4.855957&spn=11.34756,27.509766&sll=48.152776,4.856283&sspn=5.688407,13.754883&geocode=FQvYtQIdt-9sACmrRFFsNgSJRzHNenmQAv0fvg%3BFXp0CQMdflwcAClj4_HXdT_cRzH0edKM4Nm-rA&oq=calais&doflg=ptm&mra=luc&t=m&z=6 Edited December 8, 2015 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) What do i need? Maps Sat Nav and paper, roads change names Clothes, snow cold mountain tops Edited June 30, 2015 by mjn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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