StuBeeDoo Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Show your support for the freedom to voice an opinion, and solidarity with those affected by the senseless violence in France recently. End all your posts on the forum with "Je suis Charlie" Je suis Charlie Edited January 11, 2015 by StuBeeDoo Bass in the Bimmer, feva, touringking and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate1066 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'm part French and I'm realy sad how things have got, Je suis charlie StuBeeDoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 StuBeeDoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuBeeDoo Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Nice one Will, but I suspect The Team will take a dim view of the size of your new sig. Je suis Charlie WhackyWill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlE46 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Nice one Will, but I suspect The Team will take a dim view of the size of your new sig. Je suis Charlie It's just an image in the body of text area rather than a signature image Stu Je suis Charlie WhackyWill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuBeeDoo Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Ooops! ^^^ My bad! Je suis Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Nice one Will, but I suspect The Team will take a dim view of the size of your new sig. Je suis Charlie Its not my sig, just a post..!! Je suis Charlie Edited January 11, 2015 by WhackyWill CharlE46 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass in the Bimmer Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 After watching the appalling events in France unfold on the BBC news, I have come to a shocking conclusion. Peter Griffin from Family Guy was right, French police cars do sound like a gay threesome Sent from my iPhone Pauly123 and TriggerFish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass in the Bimmer Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Je Suis Charlie ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworkerbee Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 All for innocent people not being killed. Is the image required? TriggerFish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermitthefrog Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 The majority of media outlets are publishing this now. If you understand the real meaning of this then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerFish Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'd say it was needlessly provocative, regardless of meaning. (Is that their actual cover? First time I've seen it) theworkerbee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworkerbee Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I understand the message but what they are depicting is considered offensive so no rational in stirring emotions that idiots will use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermitthefrog Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Yep that's the cover for this week. From what I've read, it's the French showing forgiveness, and not feeding hatred. To a lot of people this could also mean that a lot of the Muslim faith are denouncing the actions of IS. I think it's difficult to judge from the outside. I'd imagine if we were French we would be in agreement with this. This is not giving the two fingers to Islam, it is giving the two fingers to IS, which by the way is becoming increasingly denounced by most Muslim organisations around the world. I do however disagree with next weeks cover - it will be another sketch of Muhammed again. Edited January 13, 2015 by Kermitthefrog CharlE46, Bass in the Bimmer and StuBeeDoo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworkerbee Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Yeah, I, as a Muslim, don't consider the IS as Muslims, as everything they do opposes Islam. And I agree on the French point, I think there's too much hatred already, but that's probably me going soft in my old age and after my daughter and soon to be second child as I probably would of reacted with a lot of negative emotion a few years back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermitthefrog Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 No you're not going soft in age at all, i completely agree. I just hope that everybody will have common sense to realise that they are a minority. What's happening in Germany is complete b.s. and is totally unfair. Sleep time, chat later mate! theworkerbee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass in the Bimmer Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 The ignorance of our natural thought process is almost ridiculous to consider we are the most intelligent mammals on the planet ? in every instance of hate crimes! Murder ! Terrorists! Rape etc we may only ( Hate the Deed) and Not blame a Creed race or Religion for the act of 1 or hand full of Organised evil that profit from fear and death. As to the other member Workerbee in my own opinion ( I hope this comes across correctly) I personally seek no religious identification from people I meet as it has nothing to do with me and makes no difference in my opinion of the character or integrity. I have know people from all over the globe some are good some are bad some I didnt initially understand ( but with patience and compromise on both sides) we get along) He is Romanian and I'm a joker and love banter I had no idea he was upset by this as it wasn't directed at him personally or nationally and i was ready to settle his issue if that was his wish! And then he explained how upset he was and why? and I explained its just humour not about him or directed to him the doughnut ( 1 of the names that upset him lol) and learning from both our ignorance we get along?. We can't and if the lessons of history wont allow evil to prosper as when the good do nothing and evil takes hold it has no selection of who is affected or its victims as the poor children of Pakistan discovered ( God rest there souls) where hate lives happiness abides elsewhere! We have only one fragile life we all have one love and one God ? peace from a Mixed race ( Caribbean) Christian but if the last sentence makes any difference to anyone hate has already took hold ? jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuBeeDoo Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 "All is forgiven"! How is that provocative? A character with a Muslim look, sad face, holding a Je suis Charlie placard. I'd say that's anything but provocative. I personally seek no religious identification from people I meet as it has nothing to do with me and makes no difference in my opinion of the character or integrity Me too. Wouldn't the world be a better place if more people adopted this. Let us not forget that all this has roots in The Crusades. Read-up on it. Je suis Charlie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworkerbee Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 I agree guys. StuBeeDoo it does come down to interpretation, as one interpretation is that it is a picture of Muhammad and it is he, Muhammad, who is forgiving the cartoonists, which goes back to my earlier point that it is offensive to portray him. Please note, I am not saying that this was my interpretation, but since they've done it before people will assume. Source: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/tout-est-pardonne-je-suis-charlie-3m-copies-charlie-hebdo-be-published-16-languages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerFish Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) The message maybe fine, but aside from the part of Islam that says you shouldn't depict the Prophet, I also see some phalic references in the shape/placement of his nose/hat. Maybe it's just my puerile mind, but I'd not take it too well if I was already upset by the magazine's actions. I'm with Bass in Bimmer though - judge people on their character, but not their religion/other choices. If you've got to know them, and they're still a douche, then fine, but we shouldn't be grouping people on the religion they do/don't follow. Edited January 14, 2015 by TriggerFish theworkerbee, momo and StuBeeDoo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim27 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) People have a right to be offended. So what? Being offended doesn't give you superpowers, or a right to extinguish or silence others whose opinions or statements you don't like. You have a right to be offended but you do not have a right to expect special treatment or enhanced rights as a result. Yes you're offended - so f***ing what? My two penn'orth? The Klu Klux Klan grew from the Christian religion, but people don't consider them to be representative of the Christian religion. Similarly IS and Al-qaeda grew from Islam, but shouldn't be considered representative of Islam. Like the Klu Klux Klan, they are an extremist interpretation offshooting from a mainstream religion. The problem is that they sieze upon the natural disaffection that exists in the younger generations, capitalising on a religious backdrop where a strong patriarchal respect is ingrained into children from a very young age. Drop muslims into modern western society where so many media outlets denegrate the male image with a torrent of inadequacy complexes and encourage strong female roles. This undermines the traditional muslim family structure for some, leaving the younger generation looking for a strong patriarchal figure to follow but perhaps not finding it. Add a charismatic hate preacher into the mix and voila - bad combo. The "Survivors" issue of Charlie H is exactly what the publication does - satire. They've said that it IS an image depicting Muhammed and although it's a messags of forgiveness it's delivered in a way that is deliberately provocative. It's like sending a packet of bacon to a jew as a birthday gift. It's irony, satire, poking fun. It's what Charlie H did to every religion and every politician, so the latest cover is appropriate IMHO. But yes, what happened was horrendous however I believe inevitable. And we will undoubtedly see more of it Je suis Charlie. Edited January 14, 2015 by Jim27 StuBeeDoo, M3NXN and autosri 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paullaby Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 I think sometimes we are all guilty of assuming that our tolerance to ridicule, satire etc is the same for the whole world. Having spent the last five years in the middle east, one thing I learnt was the difference in culture. I am now highly aware at our (western) ignorance to other cultures and how they go about their lives with a different set of beliefs and attitude. We must remember that while we are used to satire a lot of people do find it offensive. There is absolutely no excuse for IS/Al Qaeda/Boko Haram etc but we should not be associating this with Islam or Muslims. At the same time we should not be deliberately setting out to offend anyone else where their beliefs mean that it would cause great upset. I don't really know why I have posted this but I think I am trying to make the point that our perspective is just that - ours, we should respect others whose view is different. What is acceptable to us may well not be acceptable to others. TriggerFish, StuBeeDoo and theworkerbee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4nky808 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 This has my support. Je suis Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabaza Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Don't usually get involved in this sort of thing but... If it isn't obvious I am a practicing Muslim (not that it matters). I frankly don't give a toss about the news and whats happening elsewhere for the most part its propaganda shoved down our throats. However if this act of terrorism is legitimate (take my perspective with a pinch of salt), then the offenders should be burned alive and used as an example of upsetting the peace. If those who oppose the drawing are muslim and therefore religous they also believe in God. Subsequently they should leave it to God to punish those who dont follow his decree. Unless they did something that directly effect people in a negative way in which case let the courts decide (murder, theft etc.) I agree with the politician (from netherlands I think) who exclaimed if you dont like western freedom then f**k off to somewhere you do like - no ones forcing you to stay here. L4nky808, M3NXN, Bass in the Bimmer and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Guys, I've removed the image from the previous page as it can/has offended some of our members. Ultimately we are a car forum and whilst general discussion is allowed, the forum does not support posts that can offend members. The topic will remain open but please bear in mind what you are posting going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
