MaxiB Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 140 in an E320 cdi - late picking up a client. German guy he was....in Germany.....aye... ;) Daz 330 Cs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 140 in an E320 cdi - late picking up a client. German guy he was....in Germany.....aye... ;)/> ;)/> Oh yes of course, on the "Autobahn" yes ? MaxiB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3NXN Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Could have a zone meet on the autobahn the amount of you lot that just happen to be on it mjn, Wash, Daz 330 Cs and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobius Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Heh, compared to all the "Germany" stories, mine was actually in Germany when I was posted over there. I had 160 on the clock of my CL9 Euro-R which was generally pretty accurate. Not a nice experience at that speed though. You could feel the tyres going mushy and the car actually felt like it was lifting off the ground a bit. I guess at that sort of speed, a decent wing spoiler front and back might have helped. It's actually really difficult to get up to those sort of speeds, even on the autobahn as, well, at least where I was based, most of the autobahns were 2 lane and so you had to firstly look ahead about 3 miles or more, any bends would make it well dodgy (see below story!) and b, there was always some f*cker pulling out in front of you. Anyone see that top gear where they had the E36 M3, the cossie and the merc? It's like that all the time. As for the second story, I was giving it the beans in my left hooker Audi Quattro that I had and someone pulled out in front of me at prob a good 90mph less than I was doing.. Had to undertake them on the hard shoulder still doing over a ton! Sh*t. Meet pants. Edited January 24, 2013 by Frobius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I stand by my point re Moto GP bike v f1 car. A Moto GP bike has a higher power to weight ratio and a far smaller frontal area - it's simple science. At catalunya a GP bike has a higher top speed than a f1 car down the main straight. Yes the f1 car has downforce to contend with but this also means it gets onto the straight faster than the bike. Anyway I digress.... F1 car will also be able to brake much later, I'd expect the F1 car to get off the line faster but once rolling I'd not be surprised if the bike was faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) I stand by my point re Moto GP bike v f1 car. A Moto GP bike has a higher power to weight ratio and a far smaller frontal area - it's simple science. At catalunya a GP bike has a higher top speed than a f1 car down the main straight. Yes the f1 car has downforce to contend with but this also means it gets onto the straight faster than the bike. Anyway I digress.... Oh simple science you say ? I agree, a bike with a few cm of rubber cannot possibly accelerate as quickly as a machine with several feet of rubber in contact with the floor, simple science Ok, enough "speculation", here's the "facts" http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/17486184 Edited January 24, 2013 by Daz 330 Cs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Repsol Honda RC213V Wheelbase: 1.435m Weight: 157 kg Power: 240 bhp Capacity: 1,000cc Fuel capacity: 21 litres MPG: 13.5 Cost: £1m Top speed: 220mph at Mugello (varies track to track) 0-100mph: 5 seconds 100-0mph: 4 seconds Red Bull RB8 Renault RS27 Wheelbase: 3.220m Weight: 640kg (including driver as in regulations) 570kg excluding driver. Power: 790bhp plus 80bhp for 6.7 seconds per lap (KERS) total 870bhp Capacity: 2,400cc Fuel capacity: 220 litres MPG: 4.5 Cost: £2m (this is the costs incurred to reproduce a car and does not include research or tooling) Top speed: 220mph at Monza (depends on the track) 0-100mph: 3.5 seconds 100-0mph: 1.5 seconds Quickest lap Pole times from the two British Grands Prix last year: MotoGP - two minutes 2.020 seconds (Casey Stoner, Honda) F1 - one minute 30.399 seconds (Mark Webber, Red Bull-Renault) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Ok, enough "speculation", here's the "facts" :D/> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/17486184 Wow the car is loads faster from a standing start!!! And no the brakes!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Just had a look at lap times for MotoGP around Silverstone and F1 around Silverstone. MotoGP laps are around 2 minutes. F1 cars normally do it in 1:35. That's only one track, but that's a pretty considerable difference. My moneys on the F1 cars being quicker. momo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Just had a look at lap times for MotoGP around Silverstone and F1 around Silverstone. MotoGP laps are around 2 minutes. F1 cars normally do it in 1:35. That's up there too Gaz ^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxiB Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Oh yes of course, on the "Autobahn" yes ? That's the one Daza! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan316i Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Fastest I've driven is an indicated 140mph on the speedo on my 525i Sport (debateable what the actual speed was though) Closely followed by 135mph in my old 320cd on the way back from Jay's, I slackened off as I took "the fear" and then saw a Panda Car a mile or so later once I slowed down.... Passanger rides are different 170mph in an E60 M5 165mph in a Vauxhall Monaro Approx 150/160 in a mates 550bhp ST205 GT4 Celica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mintimperial Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 135 in the 530i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulfoley30 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thats a superbike. IIRC they're usually around 170-200bhp and weigh a little less than stock. A PROPER MotoGP bike is around 250bhp and around 135Kg. I think alongside a current V8 F1 car with supersofts, it'd be closer but the F1 car wins because it can put it's power down better. Not a superbike according to the description (I realise this isn't gospel) and that sure looked like a MotoGP bike to me I stand by my point re Moto GP bike v f1 car. A Moto GP bike has a higher power to weight ratio and a far smaller frontal area - it's simple science. At catalunya a GP bike has a higher top speed than a f1 car down the main straight. Yes the f1 car has downforce to contend with but this also means it gets onto the straight faster than the bike. Anyway I digress.... Yes but the question was which was faster, the lap times are obviously faster and if you told an F1 team they had a basically unlimited runway and to see how fast they could go I'm very confident the bike wouldn't be in sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Fastest ive driven was GPS 150 in my Corrado VR6 and GPS 160 in my CLK 430. As a passenger GPS 191 in an R8 V10. An SLR walked past us at that speed. Driver says he was over 200 and ive no reason not to believe him to be honest. Edited January 24, 2013 by Abdul MaxiB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxiB Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Gwaan Abdul!! 190's in an R8 - niiiice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 So 191 looks to be the closest so far to the holy grail that is 200mph. Wonder if anyones been over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferg Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Mate reakons he's seen 200+ and still pulling in a 800+ bhp gtr while live mapping. This was on satnav/data logging. Was a 10sec car at pod so no reason to doubt him. And the guy mapping is quite well known and backed up the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Brasco Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Fastest in a straight line - not round a track. Course f1 cars will be faster round a track with downforce, 2 extra tyres and probably 20 times more rubber on the tarmac etc. My point is this - the f1 car goes onto the straight at a higher speed and brakes probably 50-60 metres later than the bike. The bike enters the straight at a lower speed has to brake 50-60 metres earlier than the f1 car yet STILL reaches a higher top speed on the straight. Therefore the bike surely accelerates quicker than the f1 car as it reaches a higher top speed in a shorter distance and from a slower speed... Ps. It's a HM Plant BSB Honda CBR1000 in the drag race with the f1 car and powerboat - def not a Moto GP bike. No traction control, no anti-wheelie control, 25% less power and 20kg heavier than a Moto GP bike. Sorry to take this off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Therefore the bike surely accelerates quicker than the f1 car as it reaches a higher top speed in a shorter distance and from a slower speed... Sorry, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Brasco Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Aerodynamics don't come into effect until about 80mph. F1 cars might accelerate faster from 0-100 according to the figures (all approximate I might add) but I'd be very interested to see the 100mph+ figures... GP bikes are faster on the Catalunya straight - (this is a fact) yet they brake 50 or maybe even more metres earlier and start it maybe 20-30 mph slower due to now downforce. Please explain how this can possibly be if the f1 car accelerates faster and starts the straight faster.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferg Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 That was the point I was gonna make, those figures don't show 100+ acceleration. A lot of hot hatches will beat bigger cars off the line up to a certain speed, but If both gunned it from a ton on the motorway they'd get left behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 More drag due to the downforce the dial in to get it around the rest of the track. You can't compare 0-220mph acceleration times because the only place either of them could easily get to that speed is Monza which only WSBK goes to. F1 cars get to 220mph down the main straight there. For 0-100mph the F1 car wins hands down. Anything over that is speculation because we've never seen a direct comparison. Personally I think 0-220mph with low downforce and correct gearing with super soft tyres the F1 car still wins because it's so far ahead after the 0-100mph drag. Also depending on bespoke gearing an F1 car can actually reach closer to 250mph so if it was an unlimited run F1 car still wins. In reality I see it this way between the sports: F1 = Fastest. MotoGP = BIGGEST BALLS!! Blair, B0B, Daz 330 Cs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Going back to Catalunya and the MotoGP-vs-F1. If we ignore outright lap times, the MotoGP bike enters the start finish straight approximately 40-50 mph slower than the F1 car. However, peak speed on the straight is higher on the MotoGP bike. It accelerates more quickly above 130mph than the F1 car. However, it's only when downforce comes into play that the bike is quicker. Either is a pretty phenominal piece of kit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mit Posted January 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Maybe I should start a 'what's the furthest you've driven in a day' topic Blair and mjn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
