Jase25 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hi all. My bro just got BMW and got this as spare set so there I was on the rob lol Basically i have looked am missing electric ballast, control box, bracket ( optional) , relay wire Is there anywhere I can get these sepeate that ain't Guna be to expensive http://s419.photobucket.com/albums/pp271/jase_cabby/?action=view¤t=image.jpg http://s419.photobucket.com/albums/pp271/jase_cabby/?action=view¤t=image-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 be cheaper to buy a full new kit, than buy the missing parts seperately however HID kits like this are about to become illegal, from March or April this year they are an MOT failure unless you have headlamp washers and an automatic headlamp levelling system basically OEM xenons are fine, aftermarket ones are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hate to keep repeating this but as of Jan 2012 these are illegal without a proper (headlight washers, projector type headlamps and suspension self-levelling sensors) retro-fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 you need 2 ballast boxes. prob pay as much as a new kit. have a look on ebay just. think they are around £20 each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Oh is it March/April now? My mistake.. But deffo illegal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hate to keep repeating this but as of Jan 2012 these are illegal without a proper (headlight washers, projector type headlamps and suspension self-levelling sensors) retro-fit. meh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase25 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Shame ... Yer I no there illegal guy's... I ain't heard of cops round our end clamping down tbh but will keep eye on things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bry1990 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 anyone actually read the new guidelines? It says "may" not "must" so you dont actually NEED the auto levelling and washers. english language people!!! thats what i thought it said anyway! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 be interesting to see what actually happens when the rules change in a few weeks... just like decats though, they've been illegal for years, doesn't stop people running them 364 days of the year and refitting the cat for the MOT so it passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffThomson Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Honestly, if you want a lighting upgrade, buy decent uprated bulbs. HIDs in headlamps not designed for them have the wrong beam pattern, dazzle other road users and cause more trouble than they are worth. You'll probably find decent or even semi decent bulbs cost either the same or less than the ballasts you're about to buy. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 As above, they're most irritating. When such an idiot comes towards me, I give him a face full of Bi-xenon It's high time these idiots were fined for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobius Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Jeez, how many threads do we need on this!! Aftermarket HIDs have pretty much always been illegal but like the op said, plod had bigger priorities. It's not plod that will get you now though, it's the MOT. Nthe time confusion comes from the fact that the rules changed with effect from 1 Jan 12. However, to give people a chance to swap over, any cars presented for test between 1 Jan and 31 Mar with 'illegal' HIDs will get an advisory only. Come 1 Apr 12, those advisories become full RfR (reasons for rejection). This is fact. Trust me. I'm desperate for xenons on my car and have done a lot of research and spoken to a number of MOT testers. (Steve on here is a qualified MT tester and will confirm). The only way I can get them and legitimately pass an MOT is to retrofit OEM xenons at a cost of about a grand - and I already have washers! In sum, To get a legitimate MOT pass with xenons, the have to have headlamp washers, auto levelling and the lenses be designed and certified for xenon light. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bry1990 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 does the literature not say "may" or does it say "must have" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longun Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Yes it does to an extent. I've been doing some reading and I beg to differ with most others on this point. Unless I've miss read the MOT rules. It will still depend on the tester but have a read and see what you think. As I read it, as long as they are aligned correctly then the washing and levelling system is only required if it was fitted from the factory. This inspection applies to all obligatory headlamps fitted. Headlamps are not required to be fitted to vehicles used only during the hours of daylight, which are fitted with neither front nor rear position lamps, etc. (See 1.1.A). Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given. Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch. HID lamps may be identified by: • taking a few seconds to reach full intensity • having a bluish tinge to the light • having an igniter module/inverter behind the headlamp • having ‘DCR’ marked on the headlamp lens. HID headlamps use high voltage and extra care Link for anyone who's bored: http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4_int.zip Edited February 14, 2012 by Longun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve320d Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 European Vehice Regulations stipulate that any vehicle fitted with HID headlights must be fitted in conjunction with headlamp cleaning and auto-levelling systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulyb Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) As above, they're most irritating. When such an idiot comes towards me, I give him a face full of Bi-xenon It's high time these idiots were fined for them Too true sick of getting blinded by idiot Corsa and Fiesta drivers round here, hope they don't have the brains to change for mot and the police bring in a cash/points on license fine Edited February 14, 2012 by paulyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mintimperial Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 HID headlamps look f**king bobbins without projectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longun Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 European Vehice Regulations stipulate that any vehicle fitted with HID headlights must be fitted in conjunction with headlamp cleaning and auto-levelling systems Yes but there is no policing of after market systems and the MOT simply doesn't cover them as best I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bry1990 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Yes it does to an extent. I've been doing some reading and I beg to differ with most others on this point. Unless I've miss read the MOT rules. It will still depend on the tester but have a read and see what you think. As I read it, as long as they are aligned correctly then the washing and levelling system is only required if it was fitted from the factory. This inspection applies to all obligatory headlamps fitted. Headlamps are not required to be fitted to vehicles used only during the hours of daylight, which are fitted with neither front nor rear position lamps, etc. (See 1.1.A). Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given. Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch. HID lamps may be identified by: • taking a few seconds to reach full intensity • having a bluish tinge to the light • having an igniter module/inverter behind the headlamp • having ‘DCR’ marked on the headlamp lens. HID headlamps use high voltage and extra care Link for anyone who's bored: http://www.motinfo.g...docs/m4_int.zip my point exactly, everyone just jumped on the bandwagon when the rules were due to change without actually reading the MOT literature. as i said above. May does not mean the same as Must. as it only says "must work" if fitted. i rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobius Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) If you want to argue the semantics with your tester, be my guest. We have an MOT tester in here who says that 'must' is the way it's being tested. I'll personally wait until April or so and see what happens. If everyone passes, then so be it, im buying oem xenons and damn the auto levelling. If everyone fails, then the opposite will happen! Edited February 14, 2012 by Frobius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longun Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'm not wanting to argue either, this is simply a debate and a bunch of opinions, getting others views isn't a bad thing Those are the MOT test rules. Not ripped off a forum, they are what the testers get. Doesn't both me either way really, as unless I could fit a genuine system (Far to expensive) then I wouldn't bother. But I still think the rules do not ban then in there current form and if you fit after market you're fine. Unless you fit an OE item in which case it could be read that it breaks the rules if the washers and levellers aren't fitted. I'll pop to my local station tomorrow and see how they'd deal with it. As I said earlier every tester is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bry1990 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 would seem the MOT tester hasn't read his own guidelines. If i produced the MOT documents as above there would be no question as to me getting the MOT passed. i ain't planning on putting HID in anyways so doesn't really put me up nor down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobius Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'd be surprised if there wasn't an element of 'at the discretion of the tester' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 so basically, nothing has changed then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longun Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I'd be surprised if there wasn't an element of 'at the discretion of the tester' though. Very much so, there may be a case to say the E46 had a factory option and therefore they are banned. But a Corsa that didn't could run after market legally. so basically, nothing has changed then... That's how I read it too. Make the whole thing seem a touch pointless. Edited February 14, 2012 by Longun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
