scrimja Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Haven't been around these parts in a good while but when a parking ticket landed in my post box today I figured someone on here would have some advice for me! I've got a parking charge notice from LCP parking services, basically one of those private companies running on private property. Picture of the car on the way in, picture of the car on the way out. Seems dodgy as hell to be honest, both pics of my licence plate are of the front white plate despite the pic of the exit photo showing the rear of the car (and the exit pic is very dark). The ref for the in pic is 47918, the out pic is 47919, it's a very busy car park, someone would have entered or exited in the 15 minute period I was in the car park at 6.30 on a weekday eve. Fairly sure the old advice on these things was just ignore it. I realise there'll be some (Mit...) who'll probably just tell me to pay it, but seeing as I never actually parked the car and didn't at any point leave the vehicle, I'd say it's a bit of a scam to charge me £50! Any help appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mit Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) They recently changed the law (last week or something) to stop rogue clampers. The concession is that they can now enforce and pursue civil parking tickets through the courts and win. So you should first research exactly what the rule changes are and where you stand, or just pay it because it's less hassle. If you never left the car I'd argue that you spent 15 minutes looking for a space, couldn't find one and then left or something? Edited October 10, 2012 by mit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrimja Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 They recently changed the law (last week or something) to stop rogue clampers. The concession is that they can now enforce and pursue civil parking tickets through the courts and win. So you should first research exactly what the rule changes are and where you stand, or just pay it because it's less hassle. If you never left the car I'd argue that you spent 15 minutes looking for a space, couldn't find one and then left or something? The offence was on the 25th September so I'm guessing I'm clear of the latest law thought will have to have a look into it. Cheers. I think to be honest if I had have parked up I'd have probably just paid it, seeing as I never actually left the damn car I'd rather the extra bit of hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mit Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yeah I get you, I wouldn't let it lie on principle because of being sat in the car. Technically that's waiting and not parking so if your ticket says you parked you should be able to dispute it. They'd also have to have signs for waiting restrictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Sounds like Cowboys trying it on. Get on the phone to them and find out exactly what the issue is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Pepipoo is your best bet to be honest. Some very knowledgeable guys on there. RickyZ, K1MBR and B0B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlpearce Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Were there any signs in the car park informing you of the contract you entered into upon entering the car park? If so then really you should pay it as you agreed to the contract just by entering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colossuss Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 This might provide some very good information - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2214803 scrimja 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrimja Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Cheers for the help. This might provide some very good information - http://forums.moneys...d.php?t=2214803 Cheers dude, as I thought. Ignore. Seemingly, even with the new regs the advice is still to ignore lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mintimperial Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Were there any signs in the car park informing you of the contract you entered into upon entering the car park? If so then really you should pay it as you agreed to the contract just by entering. There is no grounds in law that you can possibly enter into a contract in any other way than verbally or written. An action cannot be taken as acceptance of a contract! Heres a fact.... No private Parking company has EVER taken a "ticket" dispute to court. They would lose every time and they know it. Problem is if they were to do it and lose then their windscreen invoices (and thats exactly what they are) would be even more unenforceable and their business a farce. Ignore, or if you fancy winding them up, inform them by post that anymore letters will incur a "letterbox charge notice" for usage of your letterbox. Thats what i did. Hilarity ensued when i actually sent it. Made it up on word and had a pic as proof of their letter on my doormat. Just like their pony letters. I love winding these extorting pricks up. Edited October 10, 2012 by mintimperial Gaz and mit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillloyd Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Love it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishman68 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 'Letter box charge notice' priceless! thx minty I'll have to use that one sometime :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjn Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 As others have said, if its a ticket from a private company, just ignore it. Only council parking tickets are enforceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Mark Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yup bin it, I have been there and done it myself twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Mark Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 As others have said, if its a ticket from a private company, just ignore it. Only council parking tickets are enforceable. And Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john.med Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) And Police And Railway Station car park fines, there's a byelaw for that shizzle. I received one a few months back, from a private firm and have just ignored 2 or 3 letters from UK CPS Ltd. I love the letterbox thing above, but I'm not even dignifying them with a response. The wife, she got one from a train station car park. From a quick google it seems these knobbers have a byelaw which means the fine is enforceable. She's not paid and appealed, but I imagine she will have to pay at some stage. Edited October 10, 2012 by john.med Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Was the car park free? I would ignore it, the contract in a car park is between the driver (not the car, or registered keeper) and the owner/company running the car park. They will send a notice to the registered keeper, but that is not enforceable, as they need to contact the driver at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Mark Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes a very good point made there, it is ESSENTIAL you do not respond in any way, just ignore completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mintimperial Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Nope doesn't matter if you respond. You cannot enter any contract just by parking. There is absolutely no grounds in law for that. For a contract to be valid, there must be verbal or written agreement. A contract cannot be implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlpearce Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 What about the contract written on the sign post informing you of the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estoril blues Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Ignore it or reply with a piss taking letter like somebody I know did. Here is the link to his letter, absolutely hilarious! http://pics.lockerz.com/s/204504406 Edited October 11, 2012 by estoril blues Phantom Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Mark Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 What about the contract written on the sign post informing you of the rules? Doesn't mean you have to agree to them......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B0B Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Doesn't mean you have to agree to them......... But if you dont agree, doesnt that then mean you are trespassing on private land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_330CI Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Is the sign informing the rules inside or outside the car park? Because if it's inside you simply say once you were in, you saw the sign, didnt agree to their terms and left. If it's on the outside, say you had no where to park in order to read it. Or just ignore them. Why did you go on and not park and then come out? PM me, in case they catch you out lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mintimperial Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 You have to AGREE to a contract either in writing by signing it, or verbally agreeing. You cant agree to their contract by simply parking. Thats an absolute fact. If you could id put a sign up outside my door saying "by posting your leaflet through my letterbox you agree to pay £1000 to mints ripoff limited, reduced to £500 if paid within 14 days" Has absolutely no grounds in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
