Bodge Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Is there anyway of removing the abs? I hate driving with ABS and imo you can stop quicker without it. On my last car i removed all the abs pump and re plumbed with it a brake bias valve? Is there a simple way todo it on my 330i m sport? Press a button or disconect somthing? Does it have a load sencing vavle on the rear axal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) you can kill ABS by pulling the fuse(s) I had to do this temporarily on my Mrs' old 106 GTi as there was a problem with the system, no probs Edited December 16, 2011 by Rich_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) just rember to reconnect it at mot or it will fail also watch the insurance company because IF you do have an accident and the abs is deactivated you won't be able to claim Edited December 16, 2011 by JasonR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 No load sensing valve, you can disconnect it but the speedo works from the rear left abs sensor & traction control works from the abs pump to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mit Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 If you're finding ABS intrusive, you should change your driving style and calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 If you're finding ABS intrusive, you should change your driving style and calm down. I should drive how i like to drive. and you should mind your own.... and buy a 1.4 corsa or somthing else that suits your driving style I plan on doing the odd track day..... thanks for the help. shame about the speedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 ABS should not be intrusive, even on track, try better tyres with more grip as this has a massive effect on braking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autosri Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Never had a problem with my abs kicking in really even on the track it's fine maybe try some better pads with a more progressive force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) I hate driving with ABS and imo you can stop quicker without it. I plan on doing the odd track day..... Bodge - your original comment above was quite vague so I (probably like Mit) thought you were talking about driving like this on the road in which case I agree with Mit, you should calm down as there's no way you should be driving with your ABS kicking in all the time. But seen as though you're going to be doing trackdays - yes that makes sense and I see how it could cause a problem. I'd agree with Rich_D - try some grippier tyres first. However have a look here for more info - http://www.bimmerfes...ad.php?t=369282 It's not a guide to disable - just looks like more info. Edited December 17, 2011 by momo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) Bodge - your original comment above was quite vague so I (probably like Mit) thought you were talking about driving like this on the road in which case I agree with Mit, you should calm down as there's no way you should be driving with your ABS kicking in all the time. But seen as though you're going to be doing trackdays - yes that makes sense and I see how it could cause a problem. I'd agree with Rich_D - try some grippier tyres first. However have a look here for more info - http://www.bimmerfes...ad.php?t=369282 It's not a guide to disable - just looks like more info. the main problem with my ABS kicking in is the tyres. ive had the car a week and its fitted with "sunny tyres" which are horrible and im sure that a good set of tyres will make it much less intrusive. I do still feel that abs is very intrusive and on all my other cars they have stopped quicker without it. prehaps i will not feel the same with this once ive got some good tyres on her but ive always driven without abs in the pass and i just prefer it. Thanks for that link. it look like you can diconected it and keep the speedo mpg ect. but no one seems to be looking into the fact there is no kind of load sencing vavle so the brake pressure will be all over the place causing the back end to lock or fronts to be doing all the work Edited December 17, 2011 by Bodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhail97 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 How fast are you driving on track to think the abs is effecting your performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I should drive how i like to drive. and you should mind your own.... and buy a 1.4 corsa or somthing else that suits your driving style This is a public forum, you asked a question so be prepared to hear people's opinions. I agree with Mit, he's correct in his post. Have you actually conducted your own tests to find out if you can stop quicker without abs ? I would think the Boffins at Bmw know just a little bit more than you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1MBR Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 ill bet you all the money in my bank you cant stop quicker without abs on a very wet or icy road. Blair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 This is a public forum, you asked a question so be prepared to hear people's opinions. I agree with Mit, he's correct in his post. Have you actually conducted your own tests to find out if you can stop quicker without abs ? I would think the Boffins at Bmw know just a little bit more than you im not here to fight. but why should mit tell me how i should drive? i don't tell anyone else how or what todo with there life. there for i was just relaying my opion abs is there to stop people locking all there wheels and then loosing control and crashing, like my old dear in the wet in a panic situation when she slams on her brakes. same as traction control. you will put the power down better without it, but without it some people might loose compleat control of there back end and crash. almost all purpose track built cars are built without abs. this is just my opion on abs and brake setups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 ill bet you all the money in my bank you cant stop quicker without abs on a very wet or icy road. dude on an icy road is where ABS is least effective. as soon as one wheel looses grip the abs cuts in and cuts your brake pressure. because your on ice the abs just constantly removes your brake pressure. leaving you with pritty much no brakes you have a much better chance of stopping without abs on a icy road if you have the control to not lock all your wheels and keep control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) dude on an icy road is where ABS is least effective. as soon as one wheel looses grip the abs cuts in and cuts your brake pressure. because your on ice the abs just constantly removes your brake pressure. leaving you with pritty much no brakes you have a much better chance of stopping without abs on a icy road if you have the control to not lock all your wheels and keep control But abs doesn't lock all your wheels ? That's not how it works at all. Agreed for track use no abs may be more beneficial, but for road use all manufacturers are fitting it as standard to their range. There's obviously a very good reason for this I should drive how i like to drive. and you should mind your own.... and buy a 1.4 corsa or somthing else that suits your driving style Ps. The Gf has a 1.2 Corsa which I use often, it uses infinitely less petrol than my thirsty guzzler = win Edited December 18, 2011 by Daz 330 Clubsport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 the main problem with my ABS kicking in is the tyres. ive had the car a week and its fitted with "sunny tyres" which are horrible and im sure that a good set of tyres will make it much less intrusive. I do still feel that abs is very intrusive and on all my other cars they have stopped quicker without it. prehaps i will not feel the same with this once ive got some good tyres on her but ive always driven without abs in the pass and i just prefer it. Thanks for that link. it look like you can diconected it and keep the speedo mpg ect. but no one seems to be looking into the fact there is no kind of load sencing vavle so the brake pressure will be all over the place causing the back end to lock or fronts to be doing all the work as I suspected, s**t tyres are going to have a massive impact, get them changed for something decent and it will be like night & day I've done lots of trackdays now, including the Nurburgring, in cars with ABS and rarely have an issue with it being too intrusive, with good tyres & good brakes, you should not be kicking the ABS in with regard to no load sensing valve it's done electronically (EBD) on the BMW as part of the DSC system, rather than the mechanical way using a valve & spring, so it has been looked into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny330i Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) I thinks you need to stamp on your brakes less, if you're getting abs kick a lot in then you're braking too hard and the brakes are about to lock up. If you can't control your braking progressively, which is super important in a rwd car, well that's all the more reason for you to leave it enabled imo. I think there are a few steps you could take that would improve your driving experience before disabling abs, including better tyres and brake pads as mentioned above. Mostly, I think a change in driving style would have the most positive effect. Edited December 18, 2011 by Johnny320d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 330 Cs Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Agreed on both above posts, Sunny "Kerb grabbers" have no place at all on a premium car. Get them gone fella and also as mentioned you'll notice the difference massively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 My 357ci has no ABS (I'm an experienced driver/karter/trackdayer/t**t) & on the road having no ABS is a mugs game, I've flat spotted my OSF tyre breaking into a 3 figure right hand bend I couldn't lift off as I was already turning in & the back was starting to come round while it wasn't really a drama I now need to replace a 1000mile old Dunlop Sport Maxx. Even for track use if you think ABS will be cutting in then you have already lost control, the ABS only cuts in when it see a wheel locked. I know you've driven cars with no abs but these are probably light weight track biased cars which don't have a servo so you have much more feel & better control than in a road based car. If you just want to disconnect the abs/ASC/DSC for track use just unplug the ABS pump you will lose the speedo but it's on track so it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mit Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) I wrote a long rant but it would have just annoyed you more. Change your tyres, be happy, peace bro... Edited December 18, 2011 by mit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Wasent the original post just asking how to remove the ABS? Not why i want to removed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 & that was answered but you also claimed you could stop quicker in your first post & that's what's being discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Do cars with ABS stop more quickly than cars without it? Under most conditions, a vehicle with a good anti-lock brake system can stop in a slightly shorter distance than an average driver could accomplish in the same vehicle without ABS; however, that is not the main purpose of ABS, and the difference is generally not great enough to notice or be of any real use. ABS certainly doesn't improve your stopping distance nearly enough to justify driving faster or following more closely! ABS can actually lengthen stopping distances on some surfaces, such as loose snow, dirt, or gravel, because of effects that occur during locked-wheel skidding that are unique to those surfaces. The importance of ABS to you as a driver is that it helps you to retain control of your vehicle during a maximal braking effort. Without ABS, if you brake hard enough to lock your wheels, you will not be able to steer the vehicle, and the vehicle may skid sideways or spin around. Two-wheel ABS will prevent the vehicle from spinning out of control, and four-wheel ABS will actually allow you to retain the ability to steer your vehicle while you're still braking. ill exsplane my dislike for abs. my 2 cars before this bmw where 2 stipped out VR6 golfs, coilovers, polly bushes ect ect. my first one was a 1.4 converted into a VR6. this had no ABS. anyway this car ended up getting scrapped because it was cheaper and easyer to buy a new one than sort out the body work. My new golf was the same model, all the surpension, brakes wheels tyres swapped over from the old one. on one place on the road with no abs ( tight contry roads) id always stop in time for this speed bump. with the new car with the abs driving exacly the same id hit the speed bump hard ( the car wasn't slowing down any where near as quick with the same set up). Not only that but i had the abs kicking in all over the place while braking, causing me to not stop as quickly as it was before i had abs, making me over shoot bends and turns. anyway i thought this is pants and hated the abs, ripped it all out and re plumbed it using a in cab adjustable bias valve. after this my car car stopped like it did before and i notested a massive improvment. I no long hit the speed bump, never over shot anything. Now ive jumped in this BMW with 330mm brakes and big ones on the back. I was exspecting brillant handling and braking. this thing doesn't stop anywhere near as quick as my 1200kg vr6 golf with 288mm brakes pehaps the abs system on the VR6 golf is rubbish and compaired to this slighty newer bmw. new tyres might transform the braking (i no there will be a massive improvement) eather way i just dont like driving with abs. and i know for a fact that on a fully prepped VR6 golf i can stop much quicker without the abs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 My 357ci has no ABS (I'm an experienced driver/karter/trackdayer/t**t) & on the road having no ABS is a mugs game, I've flat spotted my OSF tyre breaking into a 3 figure right hand bend I couldn't lift off as I was already turning in & the back was starting to come round while it wasn't really a drama I now need to replace a 1000mile old Dunlop Sport Maxx. Even for track use if you think ABS will be cutting in then you have already lost control, the ABS only cuts in when it see a wheel locked. I know you've driven cars with no abs but these are probably light weight track biased cars which don't have a servo so you have much more feel & better control than in a road based car. If you just want to disconnect the abs/ASC/DSC for track use just unplug the ABS pump you will lose the speedo but it's on track so it won't matter. the abs will cut in if you have lost control of one wheel. you could still have loads of grip on the other 3 wheels. You go over some bumps in the road and loose traction on the 2 rear tyres while braking and the abs cuts in. even though you've got grip on the front. have you done anything to yours to address the fact there is no load sencing vavle? your brake pressures will be all over the place. and could be the reason you've locked one of your tyres. My vr6 without a bias vavle (just with the abs disconected) was putting about 50/50 brake presure front to back. this ment the rears would lock way before the fronts. with the bias vavle i had to run around 70/30. Set up getting somone to watch your wheels while your on wet grass and get them to idealy lock at the same time / front alittle bit before. then test drive for feel Anyway ill get some tyres on it before i do anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
